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                      Culture and Life: Puff, Puff... 11/01/2009
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                      Shisha, hookah, giza or narghile are all names of a water pipe smoking device commonly used amongst South Asians, Africans and Middle Easterners. The device ws originally invented for the Mughal shahs of India. It works with tobacco, flavours, water moisturization and indirect heat.
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                      Its popularity has quickly risen through the emergence of shisha bars in the Western hemisphere, set up by new immigrants.  Warm conversation, relaxing atmospheres and the fun of blowing smoke attracts people of all ages and groups to these places. For some: it’s a lifestyle; a way of bridging the gap between their old culture and their new home. For others its a novel hobby. Others believe it’s the only halal, Islamically permissible form of smoking they can do.

                      It is really common for people who don’t smoke to do shisha. But, why differentiate between the two?
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                      You may not know this, but the health consequences can be more severe than cigarettes. In one session users consume about 100 to 200 times the smoke and about 70 times the nicotine as they do in one cigarette, equivalent to 1/3 of a pack of cigarettes.  The UN Health Agency, World Health Organization, Hartshorn Health Center and American Society of Cancer all confirm these findings.

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                      Another health concern is the sharing of shishas which promotes the spread of air-borne diseases. The World Health Organization predicts that the rate of incidence of tuberculosis due to shisha is 17%. Though this is specific to tuberculosis, this phenomenon can occur with other bacterial or viral air-borne diseases. Even though the mouthpiece at shisha bars is changed, the pipe and water remains the same, and this is where the bacteria can reside.

                      For many, it will be hard to let go (as is the case with cigarettes). But, one must weigh in the benefits versus risks and make a conscious decision when deciding to smoke shisha or not.

                      Reports can be found here:

                      http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/cgi/reprint/116/1/e113

                      http://www.who.int/tobacco/global_interaction/tobreg/Waterpipe%20recommendation_Final.pdf

                      http://www.cesar.umd.edu/cesar/cesarfax/vol17/17-23.pdf

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                      Comments

                      Zainab A
                      11/01/2009 1:24pm

                      Ok- THANK YOU. JAZAKALLAH!
                      I am forever renounced by friends for being a 'spoil sport' or 'old fashioned' (ironic? I think so) for not smoking shisha. a) it's just plain unhealthy, if I was in a do or die situation I would choose to smoke a cigarette than smoke a shisha pipe and b) it's gross! I'm sorry, but whenever I look at pictures I think it looks disgusting and just plain wrong. No offence to the people who do smoke shisha pipes- a lot of them are my good close friends (who are probably reading this now but w/e they know I love them)- I just think that its....ehh..shady.

                      Yeah. That was my super eloquent comment of the day. :)

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                      Zainab A
                      11/01/2009 1:28pm

                      Oh wait, lemme clarify. I mean shady as in- too me it looks seedy and weird. This is totally my personal opinion, but it looks like a bunch of kids hangin' around sharing a spliff...all that smoke and bloodshot eyes....man....it's just like, 'Is there some sort of sketchy business deal going on as well'? haha...but seriously, the point is- its socially reprhensible behaviour. WELL IN MY EYES. I'm pretty sure everyone else is all, 'oh no! it's awesome! woo, go us!' but me? I think it's gross! and I'm being a prude! BUT STILL. I CAN'T EXPLAIN MYSELF, I HAVE THREE ASSIGNMENTS TO WRITE.
                      ok, I'm done.

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                      Anila
                      11/01/2009 7:21pm

                      People who smoke shisha don't disagree that its unhealthy. So that argument is kind of annoying. "Don't smoke shisha because its bad for you."

                      Riding public transit in the morning is unhealthy. Not getting enough sleep is unhealthy. I dare say - abstaining from drinking water during Ramadan is bad for you too???

                      Let's face it, every waking moment of the day contributes to the disintegration of your body and your mind.

                      I don't care if shisha is bad for me. EVERYTHING is bad for me. But sometimes, there are more important things in life than worrying about your health twenty years from now. And that's EXACTLY what Muslims tell people when they tell us going without water for 14 hours is bad for us.

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                      anas link
                      11/01/2009 7:40pm

                      To each it's own.

                      Fasting can be seen as good for your health as well.

                      Riding the transit is necessary for a lot of people.

                      TB or bacterial diseases don't take twenty years to affect you.

                      The article is written so one may make an informed decision.


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                      Zainab A.
                      11/01/2009 8:02pm

                      Wow, Anila. Fallacies, much?
                      Anyway, intentionally partaking in something that will harm your body is haraam. You can't help that there is pollution in the air or that you have to take public transit (well most of us can't help it :P). But smoking is something that in which we have a choice to do or not do.
                      The Prophet (saw) said, "A person should not commit such acts which are harmful and cause harm to others."

                      We all know that smoking (whether in cigg/shisha/cigar form) is HARMFUL to you and partaking in it in the presence of others is also harmful because of second hand smoke.

                      Also 'some say going without water for 14 hours is bad for you'?
                      I'm fairly certain that fasting is a cleansing of your body and some doctors even recommend it. -_-

                      I honestly question why people defend shisha, is it because its a cultural/social thing? Isn't there ways to preserve one's culture and be social without going against Islam? :/ Of course there is. Shisha is def. not one of them.
                      -_-

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                      Zainab A
                      11/01/2009 8:03pm

                      BTW: It's VERY important as Muslims to keep our bodies in the best condition.
                      :/

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                      Anila
                      11/01/2009 8:21pm

                      Being calm, relaxed and not stressed out is - in this crazy world - one of the best ways to keep your mind and body in the best condition. Prayer and meditation are all important, but so is having a social life and keeping human interactions positive.

                      Smoking shisha is a centuries old tradition for a reason - try it and you'll see it's loved for the taste, the atmosphere, and the nostalgic connection one gets to a certain feeling of "old Arabia." When I do it, I often feel closer to my roots; closer to my grandparents and my past. Besides prayer, this is the most rejuvenating part of my week.

                      Therefore Zainab, it's not a fallacy. I simply challenge and reject your categorization of what is healthy and unhealthy. THIS keeps me healthy.

                      Like I said, arguments about its health disadvantages are useless; in the short-term I only see benefits, and I could die doing something far less "dangerous" before the effects of smoking shisha ever get to me.

                      And yes, TB and bacterial diseases can take a long time to effect your body Anas- you can have the virus but it stays dormant. You remain unaffected for decades and decades - until you ride the TTC getting to work one day, catch a cold from some strange, grubby passenger, lower your immune system and develop the full blown disease. That's how my uncle got it.

                      I bet he wishes he'd stayed home and smoked a double double mint that day, eh? =)

                      P.S. You guys need to relax. Have an apple/strawberry puff and chill out. =)

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                      Anila
                      11/01/2009 8:24pm

                      As for fasting - most doctors will not recommend a liquid fast as water makes up 95% of your body. Remaining active and yet refraining from drinking water is seen as unhealthy. This IS the point - Muslims do it so they can experience a life of poverty and refocus on Islam. So in this case, health disadvantages are over-ridden by other far more pressing advantages.

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                      anas link
                      11/01/2009 9:17pm

                      Fasting is prescribed by Allah (SWT) he knows best what is good for us and what is not.

                      As for Shisha it can have both long term as well as short term negative effects.

                      Sure, yes it can be socially fun and sure you can die of other things before shisha ever does anything to you.

                      But, it's not something you can't live without and you can find other ways to socially engage yourself.

                      Once again it's your choice to smoke cigarettes, cigars, shisha... But, it's better to be informed than to be ignorant.

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                      Zainab A.
                      11/01/2009 9:18pm

                      Anila,
                      there are other ways to relax. When I want to chill and socialize I hang out with friends, go for a jog, bike through the countryside. These things keep me relaxed, calm and not stressed out and similar things are just as effective as shisha is for anyone else- without the adverse health benefits. Yeah, their maybe a chance I'll trip but I'd rather take that risk then do something that may 'benefit' me in the short term but give me a ton of other health issues I have to stress about in the long term.
                      Anyways I'm not talking about the short term/long term effects. I'm talking about what is permissible in Islam. You can't really pick n choose what bits of Islam you want to listen to- if you're Muslim you're lumped with all the beliefs and rules that come with being Muslim.

                      Your argument is the very same argument I hear from 'Muslims' who say that drinking alcohol is fine because a) it's social b) it destresses you and c) they'll probably die from something else in the long term.
                      :/

                      Yes, it explicitly states in the Quran that alcohol is forbidden- but the same can be argued for smoking, it's forbidden to take in ANYTHING into our bodies thats harmful!

                      Also your argument that 'shisha is a centurys old tradition for a reason'- so are a lot of other traditions that are not halal. Take for instance the tradition of south asian muslims who identify themselves as sunni, going to shrines and using them as a means for dua? Yep, thats an old tradition. Is it Islamic? Not in the least.

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                      Anila
                      11/01/2009 9:42pm

                      With all due respect, my life is not on trial here. Good for you for choosing to destress in those ways. You make your life choices, and I've made mine.

                      Thank you Anas for presenting one side of the story. I apologize that my attempting to present the other side got taken as an invitation to judge my imaan. That's only for God to judge and if you don't believe that then there is more than one person "picking and choosing" rules today. It's hurtful and rude.

                      Comparing my comment to alcohol or idolatry in shrines- that was a low blow. A really low blow and extremely hurtful.

                      Allah SWT knows my intentions and that's all that matters.

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                      Zainab A
                      11/01/2009 9:57pm

                      InshAllah.

                      My comments were in no way to make you feel bad or an attack on your choice. I was merely presenting my side of the argument. I regret the fact that I unintentionally hurt your feelings. I wasn't attempting to attack your iman in any way nor was I judging you. People should be free to express their beliefs within a reasonable context. Which is what I was doing. InshAllah you'll forgive me for being harsh in my criticism of Shisha but just know I wasn't judging you in any way.

                      Peace,

                      Z.

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                      Maria
                      11/01/2009 10:17pm

                      mashallah u guys are in perfect health because u dont smoke sheesha, but you cant go around judging other peoples lives based on your own opinion.

                      I've been smoking sheesha for the past 5 years or so, on a regular basis as well have some of my friends and thank god we are all healthy. True that this is not long-term but what short-term effects do you speak of?!

                      Why is sheesha smoking such a big deal to you, zainab and anas??! theres many other "haraam" things out there that should be recognized as well.

                      This website is such bull-shit. You guys have your own biases and you believe them to be right and your main goal for KIH is to prove people wrong and make them look like idiots over the internet. In fact, the people who actually write these kind of bias articles are the idiots because you sit behind a computer screen and judge other peoples lives based on your opinion.

                      shouldn't judging other people be haraam?

                      Anas I know whose experience this article is based on, and that right there is considered haraam because your judging someone elses life because you don't have one. I know your going to comment back saying "your judging my life now, shouldn't that be considered haraam blah blah blah..." well if you really had a life you wouldn't be talking about someone else's life.


                      GOOD JOB ANAS YOU JUST LOST A READER!! <3

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                      anas link
                      11/01/2009 10:26pm

                      Wow.

                      Did I ever say it was haram? Did I say those who do it are bad Muslims?

                      All I wanted from this article was to show that shisha does have negative effects on health. My friends do it and I love them but, a lot of them believe shisha is 100% healthy. It's common. Until recently I had the same perception.

                      Read the last paragraph it says make a conscience decision. It doesn't say it is haram and avoid it all costs.

                      Allahu Alam, Allah knows best.

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                      Zainab A
                      11/01/2009 10:37pm

                      Um, Salaamulaykum Maria.
                      Your comment should be directed at me, not Anas. Not that I agree in the slightest with what you're saying.
                      Anyway, I don't want to engage in any sort of argument with you.

                      So peace,

                      Z.

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                      Zenaira
                      11/01/2009 10:52pm

                      Aisha RA narrated Allah's Messenger SAW said, “Allah is Kind and He loves kindness, and confers upon kindness which He does not confer upon severity, and does not confer upon any thing besides it (kindness).” (Muslim)

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                      Maria
                      11/01/2009 11:04pm

                      Zainab did you write this crap article?!? NO, didn't think so. So, therefore I'm not going to direct no comments to you because I have no interest in speaking to you.

                      Anas true that you didn't say anything about me being a bad muslim and doing sheehsa is haraam but you did imply it many times so stick to your own opinion.

                      I realized this website isn't bullshit, its people like you MSA-FREAKS who comment on the articles thinking your opinion is right.

                      I go to the UofT and I know what you happens in the MSA and thank god I'm not part of this social club because all you guys do is judge and talk about what is haraam but not knowing whether it is true or not. and once again you try to push your own opinions into other peoples faces trying to prove yourself right.

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                      anas link
                      11/01/2009 11:13pm

                      I said shisha can be hazardous to your health. Period. Nothing more. You have your choice to do what you want with it.

                      The MSA exec turns over every year with new faces. MSA execs are voted in by different people every year.

                      You do not know us. I am sure if you came to our meetings or events you would know we are far from what you conceive us to be. I invite you to join us.

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                      Male Ego
                      11/02/2009 1:22am

                      Wow.

                      Very factual and a lot of stats. I am not trying to defend anything here but change one fact that some flavours don't use nicotine in tobacco, so that emits the addiction part although yes it is bad for health. So if you really cant stop doing shisha, go to Desert Nights and smoke herbal. Im not encouraging smoking, but am finding better alternatives.

                      Second of all,

                      Maria, u tripping for no reason. He didnt take shots at anyone or even mention the word Haraam in this article. If this is a personal grudge you have it with the guy that wrote it, do it on your own time, dont waste the bandwith.
                      Or maybe.. its just the time of the month for you...

                      and trust me, im just mentioning this now, your stupid to even think of trying to reply to this post, everyone knew u took it out of proportion, like a lot of drama queens do.

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                      devil's advocate... or angel's advocate?
                      11/02/2009 10:52am

                      I think we can all agree to ignore Maria as she definitely has some issues with Anas outside of KIH.

                      But Zainab, I agree that you really did take on a tone of judgment and superiority, despite whatever your intentions.

                      Look back at what Anas said:
                      "For many, it will be hard to let go (as is the case with cigarettes). But, one must weigh in the benefits versus risks and make a conscious decision when deciding to smoke shisha or not."

                      Anila said that knowing all this, she still decides to do it because it has been deemed Islamically permissible and it is the best way for her to relax from her stressful life. She made no judgment on Anas or you.

                      Yet, you called people who smoke (and by extension, you called Anila): socially reprehensible. You said it was gross, you thought it looked seedy, and sketchy.

                      Think about how you would feel if someone told you that something you liked to do was all those things? Of course you would be hurt. Maria basically told you that the MSA is a social club and that they engage in haraam behaviour: if you're going to tell me you weren't a little bit hurt by that comment, then you're kidding yourself.

                      And then you went on to basically say "these are all the things I do with my time and they are superior to how you spend your time."

                      First off, what if you can't afford a bike? What if hanging out with friends is too expensive in other venues? What if jogging in public is not seen as permissible in your family? I work 15- 16 hour shifts, I go to school part-time and I take care of mentally and physically ill grandparents. Are you really going to tell me that I should go for a jog after a long, painful and emotional day? When all I want to do is wind down with my wife and smoke some shisha?

                      I agree with Anila: your comments came off snobby. Life is stressful enough and stress is the number one killer out there. Just because the UN calls it unhealthy for my lungs doesn't mean its unhealthy for MY LIFE.

                      Have an open mind. You're probably not a perfect Muslim either.

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                      Zainab A
                      11/02/2009 11:59am

                      Ok,
                      sorry.

                      I didn't mean to be rude, or judgemental and I def. could have worded my argument better. I know I'm not a perfect Muslim!! I'm not implying or otherwise stating that I am.
                      So sorry Anila and anyone else who I may have offended.

                      I don't judge people- I'm the last person in any position to judge anyone.

                      So let's all just chill in whichever way we see fit.
                      -Z

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                      Male Ego Part 2
                      11/02/2009 8:20pm

                      Ok lets me break this down:

                      1) Shisha is unhealthy, no one can change the fact. It is not a guaranteed way of catching lung cancer.

                      2) Second of all, the reason why most people think of doing shisha rather than smoking cigarettes because it is culturally more welcome than going outside with a bunch of guys and smoking cigarettes.

                      3) Smoke herbal if you can't quit, or you like the atmosphere. You will be satisfying your health and your way of enjoying this hobby.

                      4) whoever got affected by any of these comments or judgements is because you deep down know inside that you are wrong. I myself am a shisha smoker, and i get judgements passed and opinions from family and friends. I can careless, not that I am ignorant. If you know you are wrong, you tend to take it to heart. If you know exactly who you are you would not care one bit. So all you emotional people out there who tend to get offended by bloggers making judgemental comments... you need to judge yourself better first.

                      5) No one has the right to tell anyone "I dont think your a good Muslim" wow, I did not know Allah assigned one of you people to do his job on Earth. So keep those opinions to your self, religion is between God and that person, you stay behind that comp and do what you do best, SURF the net.

                      6) Everyone judges... please.. someone who says I dont judge people knows deep down inside everyone judges. just the smart ones make no comments about it.

                      7) Anas, you need to hire me to blog. All of you are really humble. You need an aggressive dude to lay things down on these clowns.

                      8) I wrote this comment while sitting in a shisha bar.

                      Im out. Salaams

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                      are you crazy?
                      11/02/2009 10:57pm

                      given that your last blog made no sense, I hope you never write for KIH. Ever.

                      People took to heart being called bad Muslims - which you say no one has the right to do - and then you say that everyone judges. And people who asked not to be judged know they are wrong about their religious beliefs?? Contradict much?

                      Maybe you need to get out of the cafe and get some air.

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                      Pinky and the Brain
                      11/04/2009 11:24pm

                      Um to all you people that say it's ok to do shisha. its harram so stop trying to defend it. Noones perfect and theres nothing wrong with doing it, hey we all do things we shouldnt be doing. But that doesnt make it right or ok.
                      Its bad for you, period.
                      Now what i don't understand is why all you people jumped on anas. Its not like he wrote something like I just did. Why did you make all these assumptions.. i love how some people take other peoples words and twist them around to make themsleves feel better becuase they feel as if they are being attacked and can now get all offended and worked up about something that was never said in the first place. Obviously, you know that whatever it is you are doing is wrong otherwise why would you be soo fast to defend it and jump on people when they NEVER said anything???

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                      ex-sheesha lover
                      11/05/2009 1:04am

                      i use to like sheesha a lot we were in a tight relationship but then i became a health professional and when i saw how she betrayed her previous partners a lot i broke up with her. and i Feel great now.

                      PS: knowledge is virtue. smoking is the one and only factor that can be directly related to a cause of lung cancer. so why smoke something even worse? Tradition and culture has been wrong several times. Thats what history is for so that we can learn from our mistakes.

                      Thank you KIH

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                      I'm really laughing
                      11/17/2009 10:11pm

                      This site is so comical. To be honest it seems more like a debate of who is right and who is wrong. All I see is bad language people taking jabs at each other which means "no progress"... and this is why the Ummah is not united....instead of letting things be we have a bunch of people who argue with one another trying to defend themselves or trying to be right...sad...sad...direct your attention at more positive things

                      p.s the layout is quite nice actually...what software did you use??

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                      : )
                      09/22/2010 6:08pm

                      First off "Even though the mouthpiece at shisha bars is changed, the pipe and water remains the same, and this is where the bacteria can reside." thats not true if you've ever been to a shisha cafe you would know they actually throw out the water and clean the pipe before they give it to the next person and secondly "For many, it will be hard to let go (as is the case with cigarettes)." your an idiot buddy shisha is not addicting.
                      you should get your facts straight before you start talking about things you dont know.

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