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                      Culture and Life: Living life without the hijab 12/12/2009
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                      I've been trying since September to get a friend of mine, a non-Hijabi Muslim at U of T, to talk about her experiences on St. George campus. Ever since she let on that she was facing a lot of Muslim-on-Muslim discrimination, I wanted to pick her brain. Finally, she agreed - on condition of anonymity.

                      Me: Thank you for agreeing to do this (on Gmail chat of all places)!

                      Muslimah: Lol. Not a problem. Well actually, I'm not gonna lie. It's kind of a problem.

                      Me: Why?

                      Muslimah: I don't really know. I don't like to talk about it. Believe me, it's an uncomfortable subject.

                      Me: Why?

                      Muslimah: Wearing the hijab is a wonderful thing. When people see you on the street, it feels so great to get that huge smile and the "salaam" from another hijabi, who recognizes you as a fellow Muslim. But I don't wear it. And I think people make the assumption that I'm a bad Muslim, or that I'm ashamed of Islam. I'm "whitewashed."  

                      Me: Okay. If it's so great, why don't you wear it?

                      Muslimah: I have no religious objection to it. I think it's great! But it makes me feel uncomfortable. I feel suffocated and it gets painful and tiring throughout the day. It's not because I don't like it, or because I'm embarrassed of it. It's like wearing socks to bed - some people like it, and some people are up all night if their feet are covered.
                      Plus, I didn't come from a family that pushed it on us. I spent many years in Dubai, where girls would go out in groups and live life without a hijab. And yet - every time the azaan went on, they donned it and prayed five times a day. They were close to God, they just didn't cover their heads. It was natural - it was totally normal.

                      Me: So, how is it at U of T?

                      Muslimah: Gaaahhh. It's kind of stupid. Remember how you had that one reader way long ago who went off on the MSA? Ya, sometimes I feel like that. Sometimes I get such dirty looks and such judgment from some people. And when I put on the scarf to pray during the day - they scoff at me. Some people have even explicitly asked me why I even bother to pray if I have no modesty. It's so hypocritical.

                      Me: Hypocritical? In what way?

                      Muslimah: In my opinion, wearing a scarf is a teensy, tiny part of being a Muslim. And yet, some of these girls use it as an excuse - a crutch. They don't bother praying throughout the day, God's name doesn't come to their lips easily, and they wear such tight clothes sometimes.

                      It's like they've proved to the world that they are Muslims, so they don't need to actually walk the talk. I see it as a weakness. I feel like I challenge myself, I challenge my niyat every day because I don't have a visible symbol of my religiosity.

                      I have to prove to God and to myself that I'm a Muslim - not the lady next door. And sometimes its an epic fail. It's not easy, it's always a personal jihad. But I don't make excuses. 

                      Me: One thing is for sure. When you wear a scarf, bad situations avoid you. You'll never find yourself in a pub, or in a position where people are presenting you with non-religious things of temptation.

                      Muslimah: So what? That just means I have to work harder to find good friends who will never do that to me. And I have to work harder to avoid temptation and to make sure people know that I'm a Muslim from my words and my actions, not just my head.

                      Me: Has this made it difficult for you to get involved with other Muslims on campus?

                      Muslimah: Definitely. Don't get me wrong - there are a lot of great Muslim people on campus. But sometimes, as a group, they develop a mob mentality. They preach and judge and make claims they don't fully understand. It's disheartening, and funnily enough, its bad for my imaan to be too close to them. I know how this all sounds, and I know how terrible it seems.

                      Me: I can see why you'd want to remain anonymous about it. Sinner!

                      Muslimah: LOL. Gee, thanks.

                      Me: Just kidding. Thanks for sharing =). I'm sure our readers will have a lot to talk about.

                      Muslimah: I just hope I don't get crucified in the comments...

                      Me: LOL. We'll have to see...
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                      Comments

                      Ishraq Alim link
                      12/12/2009 1:44pm

                      This is such a great article and I think all MSAs should read it. Anela or the sister who is interviewed or anyone else who reads this article: How can MSAs work to become more inclusive. For exec members they really want to get people involved in all walks of life and not face the judgement mentality that exists today. Lets work together for solutions: Post a comment or please email me your solutions: communications@uoftmsa.com

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                      Ess Kay
                      12/12/2009 3:50pm

                      This is a very good article, for so many many reasons.
                      And Muslimah is right, ppl should not judge another Muslim sister based on whether she is wearing a hijab or not.
                      But I do have to add the hijab is a blessing and it EMpowers hijabies who wear the garment.
                      Btw, its nice to form a group of buddies when u can recognize another sister just from her hijab,
                      esp in lecture hall of 700 students!
                      its a HUGE convenience actually ; )

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                      reader
                      12/12/2009 4:43pm

                      No offense to Muslimah, but she only wants to remain anonymous cuz she knows she's wrong. Why is ishraq talkin abt changin the msa? its the msa's job to tell ppl when theyre sinning.

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                      Zainab A
                      12/12/2009 6:23pm

                      GREAT ARTICLE, ANILA!
                      JazakAllah for posting this. And I echoe Ishraq's sentiments. The MSA exists to facilitate muslim students from ALL walks of life. Whether its by educating them or making an inclusive halal social scene...

                      anyway. I think that those of us whoa re hijabi and are reading this (Like myself) should take this as a wake up call and actively befriend new Muslimahs! I think alot of us get v. comfortable in our clique and seeing familiar faces so it may be hard...but its not hugely difficult to go up to someone and say Hi :)

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                      Sana Rokhsefat
                      12/12/2009 6:50pm

                      Dear reader,
                      Would you please elaborate with your statement on how Muslimah is 'wrong'?

                      I agree with Muslimah, wearing the hijab is not a justification of a devote person. You can't think you're a good person and subsequently judge someone. In essence women who discriminate against women who don't wear the hijab think they're better than them for wearing it, so how is that Islamic? This brings me to a very important problem in our Muslim communities. Preaching to others on how to be a better person, when they themselves are usually no better.

                      One more thing Reader, you say Muslimah is wrong and as a result she remained anonymous, yet you yourself are anonymous as well.

                      P.s: Sorry to single you out.
                      In Solidarity,
                      Sana

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                      Anila
                      12/12/2009 7:28pm

                      Wow, all of your comments are really amazing. You all are great!

                      Ess Kay - I really liked your point - but I have to just play devil's advocate and challenge you for a second. You said that it's great to look around a room of 700 people and find another hijabi sister - its a convenience.

                      BUT, on the other hand, it can also be kind of limiting, no? You end up having a group of friends composed of people that are very similar. It could be that wearing a hijab makes you, in some ways, more exclusive and selective about the people you hang out with?

                      Just throwing it out there, what do you think?

                      Thanks guys, your comments are really eye-opening. I know that many girls just find it physically difficult to wear a scarf, and others simply do not like it or believe in it. I'm sure they all appreciate hearing your thoughts on the issue.

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                      zb
                      12/12/2009 8:41pm

                      "It's like wearing socks to bed - some people like it, and some people are up all night if their feet are covered....."
                      - this is how you justify not wearing a hijab, cause its uncomfortable-seriously ,come on!

                      btw no one has the right to judge anyone else except Allah.

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                      Ilyas Ally link
                      12/12/2009 9:42pm

                      Wow, this is a great piece. Thanks for bringing this issue to light, Anila.

                      I have so much to say, and I started typing, but I fear it's turning into an essay. And I have a pet peeve about people writing essays in comment sections on blogs. I always think, "if you have so much to say, why don't you get your own blog?!" So I'm going to have to come up with a better way of sharing my "essay."

                      For now, I will just say this: it would be great to collect more anecdotal evidence to find out how widespread this issue is. How many non-hijabi sisters feel this way? Do they feel the animosity mainly from sisters of from brothers, or both? Does it hinder their participation in MSAs?

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                      ikhlaas
                      12/12/2009 11:06pm

                      Muslimah: In my opinion, wearing a scarf is a teensy, tiny part of being a Muslim

                      I like and agree with most of that you say Muslimah. Only thing is with regard to the above quote. Islam is not based on our opinion, that is what makes Islam so beautiful. Islam is based on what Allah commands us to follow as he is the most knowledgeable and what is good for us and what is bad for us. This is evident when Allah (swt) says: "...and it may be you dislike a thing which is good for you and you like a thing which is bad for you, Allah knows and you do not know" (2:216). I am not scholar so I would also look into the tafseer of that ayah but I hope you get my point.

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                      ikhlaas
                      12/12/2009 11:32pm

                      It is very wrong for people (esp. other Muslims) to think your a bad Muslim and segregate you because you not wearing hijab. Some of the comments here are even a bit disappointing to read. But, I think I understand where your coming from. Don't judge a religion based on its people because it is not an accurate portrayal of what Islam truly is. It is upsetting to hear some of the things you say about other Muslims scoffing at you when you wear it to pray, but these people are just ignorant. If they had an ounce of wisdom of they would not act in such a manner but be happy, pleased and encourage you when you wear it and say things such as "wow, masha'allah you look so beautiful with it on" or "subhan'allah that brings out so much nur to your face" etc etc. You say that it wasn't forced on you by your parents but most hijabees don't wear it because they are forced but because it is a commandment of Allah (swt) and there are great benefits from it. With regards to it being uncomfortable, think to yourself on the day of judgement when your questioned about not wearing it and your reason for it being not comfortable get past the most merciful, most just? There are billions of muslim women who wear the Hijab in very hot and humid climates and don't even have the option of different material which help with comfort and have wicking properties.

                      The hijab is an act of obedience to Allah and to his prophet (pbuh), Allah says in the Qur'an: `It is not for a believer, man or woman, when Allah and His messenger have decreed a matter that they should have an option in their decision. And whoever disobeys Allah and His Messenger, has indeed strayed in a plain error.' (33:36).

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                      Anila
                      12/12/2009 11:51pm

                      I think this is really enlightening - a lot of these wonderful comments operate under the prior assumption that indeed Allah SWT commands the hijab. Maybe KIH needs to do a piece next week comparing and contrasting the religious arguments on the hijab? Some say it's a must, while others wholeheartedly believe that it is a cultural invention. I think it would be really eye-opening, and I encourage you all to submit any hadith/Quranic knowledge you have on the issue.

                      @Ikhlaas - those are beautiful reminders. Thanks for bringing that to our attention.

                      @Ilyas - fear not about blog comment essays. And in fact, we LOVE guest bloggers. If you'd actually like to submit a response article, we'd be honoured to post it next week.

                      Also @Ikhlaas - I don't think Muslimah meant to say that most Canadians are forced. That's a miscommunication. She really just meant that she grew up in a society where it was a non-issue; it was just never a big deal.

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                      Ishraq Alim
                      12/13/2009 1:59am

                      I think i was singled out by @reader...

                      I have taken out my msa's website in this post and perhaps later posts because they are my views and not of the MSA exec (although the first post was generic)

                      he/she makes a very important about the goals and future of MSA. So the question is the MSA suppose to tell people when they are sinning? OR is it something else. This New York Times article kind of touches on this issue and i regularly share it with other MSA execs
                      http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/21/education/21muslim.htm?_r=1

                      The debate is whether MSAs should be inclusive or strict/"exclusive" where it is the case in should MSAs accept all muslims into their organizations or should they only accept those who are "correct" and as i quote "tell people when they are sinning". I have seen MSAs use both models and there are pros and cons to each.

                      For me personally, i will always opt for inclusion. I know from my personal experience where this sister is coming from and I believe that although people may not be "perfect" or "correct" (this includes myself) we should include them in our community so that we can strengthen their Iman and so we can all become better muslims. Excluding people will ensure that their Iman will be weakened.

                      So I am not changing the MSA. MSAs goal is to represent Muslims on Campus. I feel this cannot be accomplished by excluding people.

                      @Illyas, yes i think this issue is quite widespread unfortunately. I have spoken to 4-5 people who feel this way and once received a formal complaint about it.

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                      ikhlaas
                      12/13/2009 3:32am

                      totally agree with that your saying Ishraq. Again, very disappointing to hear about this issue to profound amongst the Muslims at U of T.

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                      ishraq
                      12/13/2009 12:23pm

                      Jazakallah khair ikhlaas, it reminds me of stories of the Prophet (sws) where even his worst enemies would come to the Muslim Ummah and he would accept them in so that they can hear the message of Islam.

                      If ignorance is an issue within our communities (which it is) the approach to resolve this should be education. Someone who understands what they are doing and why they are doing it has so much more value than someone who is doing it because they were told to. Although both will get blessings from Allah (swt), may Allah reward all our brothers and sisters on our campuses for all their efforts. :)

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                      Humble Brother in Islam
                      12/13/2009 10:41pm

                      In the name of Allah, the Most-Gracious, Most-Merciful.

                      Though I'm more than tolerant of sisters and brothers for who Imaan is not at the level where they feel they can follow all of Islam's precepts (i.e. pretty much everyone), I would call attention to the fact that we must clearly, and unequivocally establish what we know to be right and correct. One can know that one ought to do something, but be weak, and we know Allah tells us that He created us weak, and further that He is The Most-Merciful, Most-Gracious.

                      That said, at the least, one must know what is right and not so right, and so the comparing of wearing and doing of hijab to the wearing of socks to bed is truly unworthy. One can acknowledge weakness, rather than alter the Truth in one's mind. THAT is dangerous; not weakness in the face of Allah's tests.

                      So I would recommend to Muslimah and those who hold her position to read Scholar Suhieb Webb's answer to the dawning of hijab; though he is one voice, what he says is reiterated by practically every other wise, learned Scholar:

                      http://www.suhaibwebb.com/islam-studies/is-hijab-and-obligation-dont-religious-rules-change/

                      And, if you feel like having a laugh AND learning, check this out by him on the same subject:

                      http://www.suhaibwebb.com/multimedia/5910/

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                      V
                      12/14/2009 12:41am

                      "Muslimah: I just hope I don't get crucified in the comments..."

                      2 comments later...

                      "[Muslimah] only wants to remain anonymous cuz she knows she's wrong."

                      The literary hammer and nails are clanging as expected!! haha - Lets face it - this type of response is more predictable than the fate of the Maple Leafs when it comes to discourse amongst Muslims regarding Islam. You would think a more free society and open ended education would lead to more enlightened views, greater perspective and as such, increased tolerance. In fact forget tolerance - there should be more acceptance.

                      Yet in my experience (which I have no reason to believe is unlike most people's in university), I have many with found a strong attachment to rigid forms of faith that almost liken piety with critical, judgmental personalities.

                      It is funny that often times I have found the ones in the trenches that are actually changing perspectives of those who have been put off by anything Islam, are the ones that many would consider too liberal in their ways.

                      When I was in highschool our youth group was supervised by a Palestinian women. She was a social worker, who took the time to save an otherwise crumbling youth group. While she supervised - the youth group experienced a revival I didn't think was possible. There was no hijab on her head, but to question the iman in her heart in my opinion would be a crime of epic proportions. As Muslimah has referred to - there was no banner on her head that announced her faith... but her words and actions screamed it.

                      My favourite quote by reader!:
                      "...its the msa's job to tell ppl when theyre sinning."

                      This should be on the mission statement of MSAs everywhere!!!

                      Seriously <reader>... lets leave that to God on Qiyamat.... or the Mutawwa'in if you are in Saudi lol

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                      Anila
                      12/15/2009 2:02am

                      I think this was KIH's most civilized debate yet! Yay! *pats self on back*

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                      Humble Brother in Islam
                      12/15/2009 8:51pm

                      Civilized is good, indeed, Anila. I think most of us Muslims in Canadian society understand the importance of not condemning someone who is not at the perceived pinnacle of iman (as if someone can really be...).

                      We must always remember:

                      La Ikraha fid deen -- There is no compulsion in religion.

                      If you condemn, you close the door on someone who may one day surpass you in every way in the sight of Allah. Hence, we must never do that! Practice patience beyond all things.

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                      Shaybz
                      12/20/2009 11:11pm

                      i know of one sister who doesnt even want to attend Jumuah prayers because of the looks she gets from not wearing hijab. rediculous. who greets someone with a dirty look? is this jersey shore?

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                      Layla
                      01/01/2010 11:15pm

                      Assalamualaikum Muslimah,

                      I agree and disagree with alot of things you said, but I enjoyed the opportunity to read from the prospective from a Muslimah who does not wear hijab.

                      I gave this article a chance maybe thinking it would be different but it seems to be the same old issue, "people are judging me..etc"

                      People judge in general thats a well-known fact, a hijabi that is known smoke,has a boyfriend, has an addiction or does XYZ sin can be judged when going to pray, you can be judged by other Muslims due to race and other factors that make us different. At the end of the day stop complaining and do you.

                      You should not let people in MSA/Other Muslim clubs who judge stop you from joining Islamic clubs, man-up (or woman-up ) and join despite what people say.

                      But by avoiding these types of gatherings --those who do judge and backbite in order to put others down win , and you just look like you're whining on the sidelines but doing nothing to make change.

                      Why don't you get more non-hijabi's to join MSA? MSA members tend get "visible Muslims" to join these clubs because they cant tell you're a Muslim by looking at you.

                      Why not try to make MSA more friendly for those who don't wear Hijab?

                      I'm not saying its easy but if you don't step up who will, alot of people do not see this hijabi/non-hijabi dynamic as an issue.

                      Some of the stuff you said about the garbage people are telling you in the prayer room was quite shocking, I've never seen that happen but I'll take your word for it, but many of those who do wear hijab are not aware how deep the discrimination is.



                      The parts about it being harder to avoid temptations when not wearing hijab, and also challenging oneself to prove you are a Muslim by not wearing hijab I find to be ridiculous.

                      You can still work on becoming a better Muslim with a hijab on, its an excuse, not a reason not to wear Hijab.

                      Regardless of whether or not you wear hijab there is still temptations and there is not exactly a sliding scale which goes up when your not wearing a hijab.

                      Other than that nice to see you're perspective,
                      -your sis in Islam

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                      Anila
                      01/02/2010 2:12pm

                      Jazakallah for your comments Layla!

                      But just to be fair, Muslimah is not talking about changing the MSA. That's not the issue here. Nor is she "whining at the sidelines" about the "same old story" that "people are judging her".

                      Instead, our goal was to showcase someone making an argument for the hijab not being mandatory. These are her arguments and these are her ideas. Find fault in her arguments; don't simply call her a baby and reject her altogether. That's not helpful; it simply polarizes the issue. This article was not written out against the MSA or against hijabis... let's not try to create polarities. Let's just try to understand each other.

                      Thanks Layla!

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                      Asmaa
                      01/02/2010 2:20pm

                      Also, I don't get your point Layla - what's the point of her forcing herself to "man up" and join the MSA if you clearly said in your comment that Muslims who sin will be judged. So, you're saying that she is sinning by not wearing the hijab.

                      She's not joining because she doesn't agree with that "non-hijabi sinner" mentality, not because she's scared and she needs to man up.

                      She never said she was dying to join and that the MSA needs to change so that she can fit in - she's simply telling her story. Just take it for what it is - a story; she wasn't dissing the MSA. The MSA has a lot of great, kind and welcoming people. No need to get defensive.

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                      Anila
                      01/02/2010 2:31pm

                      Btw, Humble Brother in Islam,

                      Thanks so much for the links! They're great and I will pass these along to everyone I know.

                      Shukr alhamdulillah!

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                      Malz
                      01/19/2010 8:36pm

                      I just have one comment. When people say ' Don't judge Islam based on what people do' or as exactly quoted 'Don't judge a religion based on its people because it is not an accurate portrayal of what Islam truly is.' Islam is a religion OF the people and FOR the people. Any person who is a muslim has an obligation to REPRESENT the religion. We are supposed to portray Islam because it's our job not our next door neighbours. That's another thing that people in our society portray it inaccurately but what does it show others who think that what we are is what our religion has taught us?

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